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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By dgadd18 (99-49-60-227.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net - 99.49.60.227) on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 01:51 pm:

{http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=6665421

I hope I copied the link properly. From today's ESPN.com feature story on thier basebal page.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By diamond_lil (c-50-131-140-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - 50.131.140.9) on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 05:37 am:

Before he purchased the team, Wolff studied possible stadium locations in Oakland as a consultant for previous team owners Steve Schott and Ken Hofmann and found the political will to build a park lacking. In 2006, as owner Wolff commissioned baseball's architectural firm, HOK, to analyze six sites; the most promising site, called the Uptown site, was dissolved when then-mayor Jerry Brown allocated the land for low-income housing. Subsequently, Wolff says he spent $30 million of his own money to pursue a ballpark on the Fremont site that ultimately was unsuccessful.

The above statement is a lie! The HOK study was initiated AND PAID for by Oakland. And it cost 200K.

The owners showed no interest to come to the table and totaly ignored the HOK presentation at the City Hall meeting. Schottman was instead in negotiations with a bidder who was going to make a deposit fo purchase the team. The team eventually was not sold because he buyer wanted a guarantee he could move the team.

It is true Brown pushed for the housing project and forced a vote from the Concil. But only after he saw there was NO INTEREST from ownership to build or stay in Oakland.
This happened when Robert Bobb told him..."you can bring a horse to the water, but you can't force it to drink it".

So if Wolff spent 30K in Freemont...that was AFTER Haggerty stabbed Oakland on the back while making it look like he wanted to make the Oakland deal a go...Wolff NEVER wanted to stay from the beginning.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By oaklandsi (mobile-166-137-009-087.mycingular.net - 166.137.9.87) on Saturday, June 18, 2011 - 08:34 am:

Video of Selig in 2001 saying it was a mistake for the A's to move to Oakland because they hurt the Giants:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B6vTP-kAtk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By eyleenn (38.115.17.84 - 38.115.17.84) on Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 11:09 am:

Not to mention that the HOK study took place in 2001, not 2006.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By asch (cpe-65-27-202-18.cinci.res.rr.com - 65.27.202.18) on Sunday, June 26, 2011 - 02:58 am:

Not to mention that Fremont cost $30 million, not $30k.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By oaklandsi (24.41.151.121 - 24.41.151.121) on Sunday, June 26, 2011 - 04:52 am:

here's a link to Bryant's second ESPN article on the A's situation:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=bryant-110622

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By diamond_lil (c-50-131-140-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - 50.131.140.9) on Sunday, June 26, 2011 - 05:33 am:

I don't know how much the independent study of the Fremont deal in 2006 (made by Wolff and his buddies) was, but it was not made by HOK.

The HOK study (which included Fremont as one of the sites) was requested and PAID for by Oakland/Alamea counties, in 2001. That one cost 200 thousand dollars.

You can review the entire HOK study in link bellow:

http://www.oaklandfans.com/ballpark/

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By oaklandsi (mobile-166-137-010-122.mycingular.net - 166.137.10.122) on Sunday, June 26, 2011 - 11:45 am:

Lil, some people now are saying that the Oak to 9th site - discarded by HOK - is the same as the presently proposed Victory Court site. Is this true?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By diamond_lil (c-50-131-140-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - 50.131.140.9) on Sunday, June 26, 2011 - 07:01 pm:

I've wondered about this also. But don't have any idea if it is the same site or not. Maybe
Ey, who has been following this more closely could confirm this for us.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By diamond_lil (c-50-131-140-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - 50.131.140.9) on Sunday, June 26, 2011 - 07:22 pm:

After a quick look, I would say the original Laney College site made by HOK was closer to Victory Court they are looking at now.


http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-planning-commission-looks-at-victory-court/2010-11-27

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By oaklandsi (mobile-166-137-010-122.mycingular.net - 166.137.10.122) on Monday, June 27, 2011 - 02:28 am:

Thanks for the link. It does seem that the Victory Court site is a bit more inland and closer to the freeway and Lake Merritt BART, than was the Oak to 9th site.

BTW that was fascinating reading, especially the comments...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By diamond_lil (c-50-131-140-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - 50.131.140.9) on Monday, June 27, 2011 - 08:11 am:

yes oaklandsi, it is interesting to read all the different opinions and thoughtful comments...
however, what is so discouraging to me is the thought that NOTHING matters as long as Selig holds the Oakland A's hostage...

Today I see the Dodgers declared "chapter 11" even though MLB is protected as if they're the only "legal" monopoly in the US...the owner blames Selig for his financial problems and we know it is all a farce with no fair business sense, no showing of their books and no way to see the real truth. Selig will have the final say after he conducts his under the table deals.

This is all very dicouraging with no silver lighting at the end as long as Selig reigns.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By eyleenn (38.115.17.84 - 38.115.17.84) on Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 07:48 am:

Victory Court is near the Oak to 9th site, but not the same.


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