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Every time I see those New Ballpark Model Pics, I just drool. The Uptown Pics are pure heaven. Those pics just fire up A's Fans to make that new ballpark a reality whenever they see them.
The Link doesn't Work. The pics can be found in a topic called "ballpark" dated March 8, 2002 in the archives. I used the search feature.
I'll ask Phil to do that. But it may take awhile to load up for some puters. I'll try to post one of the pics here when I find it in files.
lets see if this works:
Cool model! What's that building out beyond centerfield? Bud Selig's permanent hospitality suite?
...Jerry Brown's Presidential Library?
If I'm not mistaken, that is the Fox Theatre, slated to be redeveloped along with the building of the new park.
Ah...Ok. So now I see the connection with the folks who want to save the Fox Theatre. It's a great idea, but....hmmm...won't the Fox Theatre be something of an eyesore out beyond centerfield? I mean, people complain about Mt. Davis now; it seems like a theater beyond the centerfield wall -- particular the back of a theater -- is hardly anyone's idea of "aesthetic".
Sorry...final question: I'm not familiar with downtown Oakland...Where does BART run in relation to this site?
I don't think so Greg. The ballpark and the Fox would be integrated and harmonious and I don't think either the ballpark or the theater would detract from the other. There's where the architects have to do their job.
I think of the Fox Theatre wall being like the warehouse wall at Camden Yards--just adds to the old-time atmosphere.
it's really just one block. the name of the station is 19th Street, but there's an entrance on 20th.
Excellent......! Thanks for the info.
I like it!
I emailed a friend of mine (who is an A's fan, but doesn't frequent the OAFC site...unlike me, he actually works at his job most of the day) the picture of the ballpark model. Interestingly, here are his comments:
The new ballpark is 10+ minutes (Possibly a lot more if 880 is jammed) closer to Sacramento. I believe you can exit the freeway before 880.
The ballpark will have plenty of city parking and very easy access to the freeways. It just won't be a sea of concrete around the ballpark like it is now.
Greg, park at El Cerrito Del Norte, right off 80 at Cutting Blvd., and take BART to 19th Street. There's lots of parking at East Bay BART stations, and I think a lot of people will park and ride in.
Maybe they can put seats on top of the fox like in Chicago across from wrigely the seats on the top of the apts.
I like that idea!
consider the idea of trying to obtain HOK's report as a digitized document that you could link into on the front page.
Thanks Diamond Lil, for posting one of those pics on this thread. Its true that it would be slow for some peoples computers to have all those pics load up at once together. We could have them seperated in series, one pic at a time, one series for the Uptown Pics and another series for the Waterfront Pics next to the Proposed Site Pics.
one of these pictures is my wallpaper on my pc and has been since it was first posted way back when... I drool everyday.
I don't think the Fox Theater will look anything like Mt. Davis. I am sure HOK architects will combine the 2 structures seamlessly. The Fox Theater is sort of tall and may have somewhat of a "tower effect." A new ballpark downtown maybe Fox Theater's last chance to being restored. Eighter way, the new ballpark will have some unique features only found at that ballpark and no other, it just HOK's style, a nice touch I might add.
I agree with athleticsfan. The Fox Theater and the balllpark will all be incorporated in the total landscapre of the area. Just like the ballpark also will not loom over the Fox Theater either. There will be a balance and that's where the architects come into the picture.
In addition to the Fox theatre, the Paramount is also near-by. With these two theatres and the ball park, that area of downtown will be quit something. Night and days will be filled, even on the off season. The Fox could be used for staged events, while the Paramount remains for both the Ballet and Oakland Symphony. Hopefully resturants and diners with open up as well. Let's get Mayor Brown and every Oaklander behind this!
I agree with Lil. That entire part of downtown Oakland can be the most vibrant entertainment area in the East Bay, perhaps, maybe all of the Bay Area.
All excellent points, oaktownfan. Also, don't forget that the Warriors practice facility is right there on 10th St., just a few blocks from City Hall. I saw Warriors point guard Gilbert Arenas at the Pacific Brew Co. last September. As others have pointed out several times, the area could become a true sports & entertainment district, along with retail stores to join the Men's Wearhouse and the Gap which recently opened. Maybe an ESPN SportsZone could open near there, there'd be no shortage of athletes around. The potential is staggering.
One of the problem with baseball parks and football stadiums is that they have limited revenue generating uses outside of the sport they accommodate. Unlike an arena built for basketball or Hockey it can be used for concerts, circuses, wrestling matches, etc. These uses help arenas recover the cost to construct them even if the team doesnt sell out. We need to start brainstorming on how a ballpark can be used to generate funds aside from playing baseball. One concept I have is that the plaza level or bleachers could be accoustically designed and used as an amphitheater somewhat like Shoreline or the Concord pavillion. Anyone have any other ideas.
Good ides, Chris d
Good idea, Chris d.
ramjet... didn't Dave Matthews Band play at Pac Bell the last time they came through the Bay Area? I think if a place is an attraction concerts and what not will be encouraged naturally... Pac Bell is now going to be used for a college bowl game... I think some of the economic benefits that should be highlighted are those that affect the area around the park... look at the area around the park in San Francisco... it is night and day to when I worked there.... there are 3 million people that have come to that San Francisco, just under 2 million of which used to go to 3 com park which is isolated form San Francisco. All those people are know coming to the area around Pac Bell Park and the area is thriving because of it. The main benefit i see in Oakland having a stadium downtown is that currentl a huge amount of Oakland citizens spend their retail dollars in Eneryville, Walnut Creek, San Francisco... basically anywhere but Oakland, alot of that money could be brought to Oakland if there was an attraction that brought people there... that is what is key here.... a new "district" can be spurred by the ballpark... a "new" part of town that is attractive to retailers, eateries, bars, whatever, but it is the stadium that will provide the spark to bringing those dollars spent out of Oakland, back to Oakland.
Darth your preaching to the choir, I agree with you that it will be a positive force for the surrounding area. But even if Uptown is booming it still wont pay for the ballpark if ticket sales start to lag. What I am concerned about is that the ballpark have the capacity to be used in some other revenue generating way to help pay for it. That way the economic risk is lessened on the financiers be it the team, private investors, fans, the City and County or some combination of the five.
ramjet, the city officials and other city community leaders who went on the fact-finding ballpark tours will be presenting a full report of their finding and information to the City Council on the scheduled meeting of May 21st.
How about incorporate a new home for the Bay Area Sports Hall of Fame, and maybe a baseball history museum? It could be all about the PCL & Oakland Oaks...a nice addition to the old-time feel.
Cal is going to need a place to play football when the state gets around to retrofitting or demolishing and rebuilding Memorial Stadium, but who knows when that might be?
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