I have a bad feeling
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| By sactodavey on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 09:45 am:|
I was never the one to think the A's would move or could be moved but last night in thinking about the wolff buying the A's i have a real bad feeling about this.
Think about it Oakland has had nothing but negative publicity these last few yrs about attendance even when we have drawn over 2.2 mill for what 3-4 seasons? but now this Wolff guy who is Seligs buddy is somehow buying this team out of the blue with Seligs aproval when other groups who vocvally said "they would keep the team in Oakland" were hushed away so fast yet Wolff is getting stream lined into the ownership at a full neck speed this sounds so fishy.
To me a guy like Wolff who had a yr to get a stadium in Oakland for the A's but never did is willing to buy this team with no stadium plans but Vegas ready to build a stadium anytime i just have a very bad feeling especially since they dismantled this club with the intention to have a good team in 2-3 yrs or around the time they would be goin to Vegas.
I think the corupt men of baseballl have condemmed the A's in Oakland no matter what the fans did and they got a guy in there who will move the team with league blessings, i have a very bad feeling right now, this is happening to easy with wolff when other more positve groups were dismissed to fast.
| By threepeat on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 10:29 am:|
I have to strongly agree, sacto, this whole business DOES seem "fishy". I feel we will be notifed that the A'S will be moving next spring and that they will relocate to Vegas in 2007.
| By bubba69 on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 11:51 am:|
Well I am more of the wait and see frame of mind.
If the Oakland folks can put together a decent proposal and it fails because of the team (Wolfey) then you are right. I really think this is going to be our best shot at a new yard. But having said that and with my connections in Vegas I am really not overly confident! Vegas has the money in the bank to build the ballpark RIGHT NOW! 100% paid by them not a dime from the team or MLB.
They could break ground yesterday! This is very scary!
| By diamond_lil on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 11:56 am:|
All I can say is that Selig and his cohorts and minions continue to get away with their corrupted and fraudulent activities.
Just like the players get away with cheating the game and the fans, the owners are just a guilty or even more responsible for totally making a mockery of the game of baseball.
It is utterly disgusting and I only wish I could stop loving this game so much.
| By bubba69 on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 12:11 pm:|
Me too....Actually last year I think I did! I went to 4 games....Opening Night and 3 sky box games!
I can relate to you Sacto, but the point keeps getting brought up that Las Vegas has like the 51st T.V. market in the country. That in itself should be enough said.
| By bubba69 on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 05:28 pm:|
But that is not what will sell tix...I will have to get what the revolving population is...tourist included...they will sell out every game....EVERY GAME!
And bubba, how can you prove that? I have made the point in here numerous times that a baseball game will never be on a tourist to-do list. Many of Las Vegas' residents are not even natives, so why would they feel any emotional attachment to a team? I just think SOME people here are being a little to frightened by Las Vegas.
| By deajay on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 09:59 pm:|
They will "sell out every game"? Get real. If I'm not mistaking, their minor league team was hardly successful. Fact is, tv revenue is where the bigger bucks are made; the size of their tv market is miniscule compared to most. In fact, I can't see where even the entire state of Nevada can support a team.
I agree with oaklandfasho. In fact, I believe Portland would be a far more viable market than Las Vegas. Their tv market ranks like 24th, while their population is not transient.
Was just talking with a couple tonight who have lived in LV for 25 years. They aren't so sure about MLB there - the stadium is a a chicken & egg thing and the attempted makeover of LV into a family-oriented destination has failed. They also warned that a team in LV will only do well when it's a winner. When UNLV basketball was hot, they sold out; now they can barely get anyone to attend a game.
vegas will never get a basball team.
Pete Rose is all you have to know about.
Gambling, for what ever reason is one thing those corrupt baseball guys really take to heart.
NO TEAM WILL EVER PLAY IN VEGAS
Sactodavey, I had the same bad feeling as you when I learned whose money was behind bringing MLB to Vegas.
Also, as others have pointed out, there is considerable risk in moving a team to LV. While there is big money there, it is a crapshoot, so to speak, as how how many tourists will make a ballgame part of their itinerary. The locals have not supported their PCL team, the 51s, and many casino operators are not happy about a three hour intrusion into customers time at the tables and slots. Finally, their tv market is a tiny one.
I guess the question is whether Lew Wolff will go with a sure thing in Oakland, or go with the glitzy long shot, LV.
| By cgeo on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 10:51 am:|
The casinos will buy all of the sky boxes and use them for their high rollers. Locals have already been talking about buying blocks of season ticket packages. Many living in LV are from California and other states and they miss MLB. Sure, they have their own teams they still root for which is why they'd go out and and support a local baseball team. So many people living in LV just love the game.
The Cubs, Boston, both NY teams, all the CA teams and so on and so on would draw HUGE in Vegas.
Trust me. I've lived in LV now nearly 7 years and, yes, TV revenue wouldn't be like other places but a team here would do very, very well.
| By deajay on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 11:06 am:|
"Trust me .... but a team here would do very, very well."
I wouldn't place a bet (pun intended) on that. And others who also live there, don't share your optimism.
| By bubba69 on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 11:22 am:|
Steve Wynne and the people at Mandalay Bay resorts are lined up to buy blocks of tix to pass out. Both have stated that they will give the land near their casinos for the ball park. An informal poll showed that many locals would buy season tix. They have a minor league hockey team that plays to near capacity crowds evey night. I do not think a team will ever be placed there but not think if it happens it will fail...And O510's question...they be going see their team play in LV not the home team
| By cgeo on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 01:15 pm:|
"And others who also live there, don't share your optimism."
They're comparing AAA baseball with MLB. Not to mention that the AAA team plays outdoors in a stadium where game time temps are often well over 100 in the summer for night games.
I don't know if a team will ever come here or not but if one did, it would do very well.
| By deajay on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 04:35 pm:|
"They're comparing AAA baseball with MLB."
Says who? The ones I've heard from have made no such indication. Furthermore, I see no reason to believe that a community which was below average in supporting a minor league team, would do any better with a mlb ... especially after the first year, when everybody has experienced the new stadium, then back to the casinos and boxing matches, folks. Bottom line: It is a transient community with little tv revenue available, plus the gambling mecca of the US. Oh, and I bet mlb would just LOVE to have the casinos/owners responsible for the major support of the ticket base.
| By bubba69 on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 05:37 pm:|
Deajay I mean no disrespect but LV is going to put on a full court press on this. Will it happen most likely not. They know the only pro sports team they have any shot at is MLB. The people you know and the people I know may have a difference of opinion. But when I asked the Mayor of LV and of Henderson this last winter what they thought about all of this they are ready to do what ever it takes. Remember we are not dealing with fair and respectable business men here ...It is after all MLB!
As for it being transient...It is the fasted growing city in the US again...Just look at the housing prices...They are catching up to us here in the BA.
| By cgeo on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 11:56 pm:|
"Oh, and I bet mlb would just LOVE to have the casinos/owners responsible for the major support of the ticket base."
I doubt MLB would care who supports the team as long as it's supported. Look at who you're talking about. Selig and Company? Ha!
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
NEVER NEVER NEVER FORGET ABOUT IT
| By washfan on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 11:36 am:|
I actually share SactoD's pessimissim on this one.