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Will the A's score any runs in a Zito start?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By greenandgold on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 02:11 am:

1st start A's 0 runs through 7 innings, Zito L
2nd start A's 1 run through 4 innings, Zito L
3rd start A's 1 run through 8 innings, Zito L
4th start A's 4 runs through 7 innings, Zito ND
5th start A's 0 runs through 7 innings, Zito L

Regardless of Zito's pitching, every one of his 4 losses were going to be losses if the A's only score 0 or 1 run.

As for Zito's pitching, excluding the Tampa Bay blowout, the A's should've had a good chance to win each of his other starts.

Overall, he's pitched a respectable 23 scoreless innings, while being scored upon in 8 innings. Meanwhile, the A's have been pathetically scoreless in 29 innings behind Zito, scoring in only 4 innings during his 5 starts.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By asch on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 07:29 am:

Hold up - we certainly haven't given him the runs, but he certainly hasn't helped himself to keep the team in the game....

And the last game where he was keeping his cool, but as always gave up that late homerun to blow it open.

Look at his era, he has has to know what our offense is capable of.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By naomi on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 08:33 am:

the question should be will zito be focusing on opposing batters while he is pitching or will he again be dreaming and thinking about his song writing and surfboard collection, then grooving a 72 mile an hour fastball in there to be ripped into the bleachers....

the guy should have been traded when he was actually worth something--

overrated, no fire in the belly and pedro should have probably won the cy that year.

oh huddy we miss ya.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By kevink on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 08:40 am:

I'm betting Zito pitches well and gets a W today.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By deajay on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 09:26 am:

Geez, this is a rough bunch today. Zito had two miserable outings to start this season. If memory serves, his last 4 (I believe it is) have not been that bad, sans the GS in Seattle. Even then, after the 1st inning he pitched very well. His last start he did too. His manager just needs to recognize that when the 6th inning hits and he's thrown a lot of pitches, get him out of there. We've got the pen to handle it. Many of us came down hard on him when he pulled himself out of the game late against the Angels last year because he was afraid he would hurt the team. Seems he knows himself better than Macha. Macha still hasn't learned from game 5 against Boston, and left him in too long.

Seems to me that a pitcher having to go out there game after game without run support is continually walking a tightrope knowing he has to be very, very fine. It's a lot easier to pitch when you at least get SOME games where the offense shows some life.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By oaktownfan on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 11:53 am:

I think Gammons pointed out this stat last week that Zito has pitched through 3 games where he hasn't allowed an earned run through 6 innings and didn't get a win in any of them.

If you take out that horrible start against TB, Zito hasn't pitched all that bad.

14 earned runs in 25 IP. Not great, but not all that bad either.

Zito's last 3 starts haven't been all that bad.


-April 15th against LAA:8 IP, 2 earned runs/4 hits and 6 SOs.

-April 20th against Sea:6 IP, 4 earned runs/8 hits and 6 SOs. Remember too that he allowed most of those runs/hits in the first inning and shut down the M's for the last 5 innings.

-April 25th against ChiSox:6 2/3 IP, 4 earned runs/7 hits and 4 SOs. Also, he pitched 6 scoreless innings before he had his usually one mistake inning.


If Zito can be consistant and get his head straightened out, he can be a good pitcher again, maybe not the Cy Young quality in 02 but he can be a very good #2 starting pitcher behind Harden.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By greenandgold on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 02:48 pm:

Yahoo!!
The A's take a 3-2 lead in the 6th!! And Zito shuts them down 1-2-3 in the 7th.
(The only other time Zito has pitched with a lead this year was for two of the middle innings against the Angels with a 1-0 lead...)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By oaktownfan on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 02:59 pm:

Hopefully the Duke and Dotel can hold onto this lead.

Duke has been great this year so far, you could say other than maybe Harden/Dotel, he's been the A's most valuable pitcher.

15 2/3 IP and only allowed one earned one.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By greenandgold on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 03:18 pm:

Zito W!
The A's win 3-2, own 2nd place, and have a winning record.
Whew!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By kevink on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 03:38 pm:

What did I say about my man ZITO?
You guys need to not be so quick to give up on our guys!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By deajay on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 04:17 pm:

All I can say is Duchscherer continues to be terrific. Plus he is a good athlete and has a good move to first base. And Dotel showed a lot of guts out there yesterday and today, not having his good stuff, yet getting the job done. Though it looked to me like Sexson may have been safe on the tail end of that DP, but then Ichiro should have been called out at 2nd on his steal. Sometimes it does even out.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By eyleenn on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 04:35 pm:

How often does a Zito game go only a little over 2 hours??

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By asch on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 04:43 pm:

LVP - least valuable player - Macha.

Macha = moron.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By deajay on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 09:31 pm:

And, actually, we still didn't give him much in the way of run support ... but just enough. Thanks especially to the pop up Boone lost in the sun and a good job of baserunning by Chavez to make it into 2b. Speaking of baserunning, the run support could have been higher if Durazo had kept his butt at 2b instead of getting caught btw. 2nd and 3rd. How many times have we seen that in the past? All too many, methinks.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By greenandgold on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 07:52 pm:

More of the same. Update:
1st start A's 0 runs through 7 innings, Zito L
2nd start A's 1 run through 4 innings, Zito L
3rd start A's 1 run through 8 innings, Zito L
4th start A's 4 runs through 7 innings, Zito ND (left tied; Street lost it)
5th start A's 0 runs through 7 innings, Zito L
6th start A's 3 runs through 8 innings, Zito ND (Dotel BS)
7th start A's 1 run through 7 innings, Zito ND (Dotel BS)
8th start A's 3 runs through 5 innings, Zito ND (Street BS)
9th start A's 1 run through 8 innings, Zito L

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By rocket on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 08:06 pm:

Zito has a win, against Seattle with 3 runs
scored by the offense.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By jenmed on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 08:06 pm:

Boy, do we stink.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By oaktownfan on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 08:12 pm:

Damn offense can't get consistant.

8 runs the first game and then they waste yet again two great pitching performances because they scored 3 runs in two games.

I mean if this happened in any other series, I wouldn't be this mad but to have to lose two out of the three against SF when they don't have 3 of their best players going at it.

If this team had any type of offense, we would've swept series.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By finleyshero on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 08:57 am:

Watching the A's offense is like watching a soccer match. Scoring is so infrequent, when our side gets one, we get very excited. Unfortunately, when the other side gets a goal, er ah a run up on the A's, the game is pretty much over.

Has anyone checked to see if the A's have outscored the Earthquakes this season?

Perhaps Ronaldinho can execute the hit and run. He certainly couldn't be any worse at it than the A's.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By snax on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 09:00 am:

With this offense, it's getting hard to be an A's fan. What will it take to shake up the lineup? Jeez.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By ronc on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 09:17 am:

From that sage Austin Powers ;) when trying to resist the Fembots …“Baseball, cold showers, baseball, cold showers” … A’s offense is the anti-Viagra

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By diamond_lil on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:52 am:

Beane is "bizarrely happy." ?

Besides walking too many; scoring too few runs; allowing too many stolen bases, the A's on pace to losing 100 games...

don't fret...they also lack power so the solution is to bench Ellis in favor of Ginter who has power but an iron glove...

they've made 22 errors in the last 18 games and so far have 36 errors this season which is most in the majors...

I'm bizarrely disgusted!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By jenmed on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 02:54 pm:

Hmmm, Ron, I don't know, our guys do seem to "pop up" a lot!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By finleyshero on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 04:45 pm:

Yeah, but they've had more dribblers than long ones.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By greenandgold on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 07:43 pm:

Even more of the same.
Zito's ERA is now 4.85 and would be quite lower except for the one Tampa Bay game.
The A's have scored just 17 runs in 75 innings while Zito has been pitching (a rate of only 2.04 runs/game; looking at it another way, if Zito's ERA was an amazing 2.00, he'd still probably only be 5-6 now...).
Update:
1st start A's 0 runs through 7 innings, Zito L
2nd start A's 1 run through 4 innings, Zito L
3rd start A's 1 run through 8 innings, Zito L
4th start A's 4 runs through 7 innings, Zito ND (left tied; Street lost it)
5th start A's 0 runs through 7 innings, Zito L
6th start A's 3 runs through 7 innings, Zito W
7th start A's 3 runs through 8 innings, Zito ND (Dotel BS)
8th start A's 1 run through 7 innings, Zito ND (Dotel BS)
9th start A's 3 runs through 5 innings, Zito ND (Street BS)
10th start A's 1 run through 8 innings, Zito L
11th start A's 0 runs through 7 innings, Zito L

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By oaktownfan on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 11:06 pm:

66 IP, 29 ERs, 56 hits, and 45 strikeouts is what Zito has done this season if you take out that horrible outing against TB his second start of the season.

For all the Zito bashing which I was part of early in the season, he hasn't allowed 5 runs other than that TB start.


Though, with the Cubs SP getting injured, would a trade to the Cubs with Zito and maybe a Byrnes be possible?

The Cubs from what I read has a very good farm team and would love to see a Patterson type prospect to come here.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By jeffreyb on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 08:46 am:

yep, despite the numbers Zito is pitching very very well.

Given the rebuilding, who knows, maybe he AND Chavez will be gone before the season's over.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By kevink on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 08:49 am:

Zito is the best 1-6 pitcher of all time!
I like the Cubs idea for Patterson, but that won't happen.

How is Chavez hitting .211 at the end of May?
NOBODY could have predicted that.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By rocket on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 09:35 am:

A lot of fans bashed Zito for his Zen like way
of being in his own world, calm and cool. But
that Zen like way is allowing him to keep pitching well in the face of zero support from his teammates. A lot of pitchers would have gone nuts, perhaps even ripping his team, but Zito
concentrates on the process of pitching.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By eyleenn on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 11:03 am:

Billy admitted this would be a down year and has high hopes for 2006 onward. Chavez is his guy and I'm sure Billy plans to keep Chavey around for the resurgence. I'm not so sure about Zito, though.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By eyleenn on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 12:30 pm:

Speaking of Zito, this bit was in Bruce Jenkins column today. Of course, one has to consider the source.

"Change of heart regarding the A's trading Barry Zito: Now it makes no sense to keep him. The team is remarkably horrible, giving him 0.8 runs a game (or so it seems), and he deserves a career resurrection with a contender. Sharp scouts know the score; Zito still has the stuff. If Billy Beane waits for precisely the right moment, he can get two or three good players in return ... "

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/05/28/SPGO8D00N71.DTL

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By okplayer on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 12:38 pm:

yes, the key is waiting for the right momment. that's been my big beef w/how bb trade huddy and mulder. wait for a team to be desparte. don't jump the gun. bb better start making some good moves or I'll have to use moneyball as tp.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By oaktownfan on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 01:44 pm:

Maybe a trade with the Cubs is gone since they traded Hawkins to SF for Williams who is in the minors and Aarasma the young RP who can throw heat.

I guess this move came Dusty.


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