OAFC BBS - All Topics: Archive: Bye Bye Kenny Macha
WOW. interesting that beane didn't want to budge. sounds like macha really wanted to stay in oakland. i wonder if he is allowed to take his coaching staff with him or not. i really hope this means washington will be the next A's manager!!!! however, i am sure it will probably end up being geren.
It tells me that there was never an intent to keep Macha. The $500K over 3 years that separated the two offers is peanuts. (i.e. the lowest the agent said Macha would take.)
Does this mean Washington may have a chance at the A's manager job?
Art Howe is still available isn't he?...
Wash has no chance IMHO. He is no one's yes man, and that is what he would need to be for Billy.
Except for Hudgens, the entire coaching staff was retained. Though some could leave (with permission) for better jobs.
Pretty proforma , just going through the
art howe will be available for years-
Urban was on KNBR and he said Wash is probably more interested in the TB job and that most liklely, Geron who was the bullpen coach and AAA coach before that would get the A's managerial job.
bottom line--bb's a beast to work for. seven straight winning seasons, four playoff appearances, three mgrs? hmmmmmmm.
I hope it's Wash, I hope Beane goes against everything he's stood for this one time. That being said, I think Beane will drag his feet(with Geren being the 1st choice), see Wash jump at TB or LA, Wash citing unable to wait. Beane cleans his hands and hires Geren as the new manager.
raider, you beat me to the punch. bb's a master and spinning crap like this. wash will bounce b/4 BB chooses geren over him, thus making everyone look good.
wash should steer clear from LA LA if that loser Depo is still there.
I agree with Jen, the $500k difference is peanuts. They don't want Macha. In the four playoff chokes and the two September collapses for me the biggest bonehead play of all (and there have been plenty of them) was when Macha pinch hit for JD with Melhuse.
Am I the only one pumped up by this move? I am happy to see Macha out. He should have been let go after the playoff debacle of 2003. Whoever they get has to be better than Kenny M
Washington has the be the frontrunner in my opinion. The skills needed to be a successful manager of the A's are ability to motivate players and deal with public relations, two areas where Washington excels. I know Ron has an old school streak in him, but just because you like bunting and stealing bases doesn't mean you do it regardless of your personnel. The A's aren't built for small ball, and Washington is bright enough to recognize that.
I didn't hear the rumor about the crawford for kennedy and a prospect until i read it on this site, maybe this will end up like the lou pinella trade from seatle, where seatle got randy winn. We give the D'rays Wash, Kennedy, a prospect and we get crawford. They were willing to get rid of winn when at that point he was an all-star for Pinella, maybe their ready to give up crawford for Wash.
I'm pumped about the move, but the BB we all love and hate sometimes will rear it's ugly head and we'll see Geren as manager. Hopefully Chavez, Crosby, DJ come forward and pimp Wash as manager to Beane.
Will I have to change my Username if Wash departs for another team?
everyone is happy macha's gone. i'm looking at it from a "big picture" standpoint. why was he hired in the first place? why does bb devalue field mgrs? Why is bb going to pass on Wash?
"agree w/raider that the only way wash is the mgr is if the players lobby"
The bad thing about not hiring Wash as manager is the fact that it would be a lose-lose proposition since he will most likely be managing elsewhere.
Good idea, renobill. Shame Billy into hiring Wash. Whatever it takes...
Yeah Ey. Not one of my prouder moments in suggesting that, but desperate times may call for desperate measures.
that's not out of the realm of possibility reno. passing on wash would look VERY bad. guy's been in the org longer, players love him, fans love him, etc. it would have "good ol boy network" written all over it. the key is wash leaves b/4 the a's fill their mgr vacancy. then bb comes out okay. wash might not want the job.
The old "anyone will be an improvement over
I would LOVE to see Wash as manager!
You don't think they get along now or for the past 7 years?
Further to renobill's comment earlier, this was posted on AN by "commuter" who is a long time resident of A's discussion boards:
yeah, i thought about the race card issue, just didn't want to go there. it's true though, it will look so BAD if Geren gets the job over wash. it's gonna be ugly. the key is if wash takes another job first.
I think wash will either take another job or get the oakland job.
Wash has earned his shot to manage the A's.
don't worry kevink, monte poole will cry racism for you. but seriously, no one is saying it's racism, just the fact that passing on wash in favor of geren will look bad on many different levels. there aren't alot of minority head coaches/managers so when one that's qualified (in fact over-qualified) gets passed over, people will gripe.
I hate speaking of racism and I believe too many people cheapen the power of the word by leaning on it often inappropriately. That said, if Wash was passed over for Geren, I would consider that overt racism. Wash's success in getting players major league ready is well known. How can that not be rewarded? Not to mention Wash has been passed over once already for a coach with less tenure. Twice for a man of such achievement would be awfully fishy.
Here are my thoughts:
The counter to the racism accusation is the potential personality conflict between Wash and Billy. If Billy wants someone docile (not to say a puppet), Wash is probably not the right guy.
Brad Fischer has been in the A's system for almost 30 years. He has managerial experience. He has also been the much important bullpen coach. I guess in retrospect it's hard to bring up race when you got a guy like this that dosen't seem to recieve consideration.
Did anyone else know about the blow up that is discussed here, during May re: a pitching change that didn't happen?
He should have been questioned after games. Hell if the average Joe Baseball fan can pick apart his in game decisions then you can for darn sure bet Billy was. Yes, it's up to the players to produce but Mach made decisions that cost us games ie a playoff shot.
why did they hire this dude in the first place?
good question. I actually am confused by the hire orginally as well. And the funny thing is it seemed Billy REALLY wanted him too, as he basically told Macha - hold tight, howe will be out of here for you shortly.
I'd love to know about those post-game blowups. Beane probably felt the same way we did about Macha's handling of the pitching staff.
Bud Black The Angels pitching coach has been mentioned as a possibility.
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