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Scott Haggerty and his pipe dream is getting in the way?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By diamond_lil on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:34 am:

Hopefully Haggerty is not going to stall and delay a decision to examine the possibilitis for the A's to build in the 20th and Telegraph site.
There is NOTHING done or proposed for the Fremont site and they haven't even talked about a possible financing plan for a ballpark.

Besides...have you BEEN to Warm Springs!?!?!?!?!
IF you can get there after two hours in the 880 corridor traffic?

PROBLEM AHEAD: The agreement reached last week to extend the A's lease at the Coliseum through 2007 was an essential step in the move for a baseball- only park, but it also highlighted a potential problem when club owner Steve Schott would not indicate a preference for a site, out of deference to Scott Haggerty, chairman of the county Board of Supervisors, who is pushing for a site near Fremont.

This project makes sense only if it's seen as one that provides an economic stimulus. The uptown site, which was recommended by HOK after a thorough study of seven possible sites, meets that criterion. The Fremont site does not. Haggerty has no chance to get that site. He does, however, have the ability to block the uptown site with his political maneuvering.

The potential with an uptown park is exciting. "We're talking about much more than a new ballpark," said Oakland City Councilman Dick Spees, who will introduce an amendment to the Forest City housing project at a July 23 meeting of the council. "We're talking about a whole new entertainment center for the area, refurbishing the Fox Theatre, putting in retail and housing. This is a total vision for the area."

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By eyleenn on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 09:27 am:

Here's an article from this morning's Oak Trib:,1413,82%257E1865%257E733891,00.html

Poll: No tax funds for ballpark
City manager discounts 60% rejection by residents
By Paul T. Rosynsky,STAFF WRITER

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - OAKLAND -- A majority of Alameda County residents do not want taxpayer funds spent on a new Oakland A's ballpark that would be part of a downtown housing and entertainment project, a poll commissioned by The Oakland Tribune found.

According to the poll, 38.2 percent of 500 county residents surveyed said they would support spending public funds for a ballpark if it was part of a downtown redevelopment venture and 60.7 percent said no.

Of the 191 people in favor, 36.7 percent said they think taxpayers should pay up to half of the estimated $385 million ballpark price tag if the A's or other sources pick up the other half, and 60.7 percent said they believe the public should put up a quarter of the amount.

Among those who said they don't want any public funds to pay for the ballpark, 86.7 percent indicated that's true whether the baseball-only stadium was built in Oakland or another part of the county.

The remaining 13.3 percent answered that they might support a ballpark elsewhere in the county.

"The location is not the issue, it is the fact that they do not want to spend taxpayer money for the stadium," said Margaret Lin, a statistician with the marketing department for ANG Newspapers, The Oakland Tribune's parent company.

Both opponents and supporters of a new stadium project said the results were not startling, and show that the Oakland Athletics need to make a proposal before the idea can move forward,

"There is nothing at all surprising in this poll, and I would definitely not use it as some indication that we should not move forward," said Oakland City Manager Robert Bobb. "It means that

sometimes you have to go on your own."

Bobb has spent the last year working up a plan for building a ballpark in the "uptown" section of downtown Oakland.

The plan calls for renovation of the Fox Theater, development of housing, a hotel and other entertainment venues such as a movie theater, and construction of a ballpark on 12 acres bordered by Telegraph and San Pablo avenues between 20th and 18th streets.

But Bobb's plans have been significantly hampered by a proposed housing development at the same location backed by Mayor Jerry Brown and Council President Ignacio De La Fuente (San Antonio-Fruitvale). That project could entail pitching in about $41 million in public subsidies.

Brown and De La Fuente have stymied discussions concerning the ballpark, issuing gag orders to prevent staff members from discussing the idea with council members, the public or the Oakland A's.

Brown said Monday the poll proves that his "concrete" plan to build housing at the site is better public policy than chasing an "uncertain" ballpark idea.

"I think it shows you that to earn the requisite degree of public support is very difficult, and therefore to have the uncertainty of the stadium kill the high probability of housing is not sound public policy," Brown said. "The housing is feasible, we can do it with existing funds. The ballpark requires voters' support, and this poll seems to indicate there is an issue there."

But supporters said the ballpark idea should not be killed before firm details are hashed out, particularly after A's co-owner Steve Schott finally said, last week, that the team is willing to invest its own cash into a stadium project.

"Opponents will use everything at their disposal to defeat any initiative that they are opposed to, that is the art of politics," Bobb said. "We already know the only way it works is if it is a public-private venture."

How much that partnership relies on public funds and where that money comes from, however, will be the determining factor in the construction of a new stadium in the city, the poll and representatives of both sides said.

If the public is stuck with the entire tab, for example, only 2.6 percent of the residents surveyed said they would support a new ballpark. Supporters increased to 36.7 with a 50-50 split and 60.7 percent with a 25-75 split, the poll found.

The poll was conducted between June 27 and July 10 by Markinetics Inc. of Marietta, Ohio and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percent. It was based on a random sample of residential telephone numbers throughout Alameda County.

"It all depends on how it is presented," said Councilman Dick Spees (Montclair-Laurel), a ballpark supporter. "If a precise financial plan is done, you will get a different answer."

In fact, a poll commissioned by the city last May found that 45 percent of Oakland voters would support spending $180 million in "revenue and tax increment bonds" for a new stadium if it included renovations of the Fox Theater and creation of an entertainment district.

But 71 percent of the Oakland voters in the poll said they "somewhat agreed" or "strongly agreed" with the statement that "public money" should not be used to build a stadium.

De La Fuente said the poll only proves the A's have to come to the city with a proposal.

"It is difficult to say yes, no or maybe, because the main movers and shakers have not made a move yet," he said. "Unless you have Schott himself or somebody else there driving this thing . . . it will be very hard."

Mike Crowley, president of the Oakland A's, said the poll proves nothing because nobody knows how much public or private money will be used in a stadium project.

"We're going to take a look at it, but until both sides have a chance to look at a financing plan, it is kind of premature," he said. "I am not discouraged by it. I understand it is going to be a challenge for all parties."

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By eyleenn on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 09:28 am:

Oops, sorry. Lil already posted it in another thread.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By rono on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 09:23 pm:

What do the A's have to say about the Fremont site or the uptown site? I haven't heard anything.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By eyleenn on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 09:40 pm:

You haven't heard anything because the A's haven't said anything.

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